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	<title>Comments on: Commuter&#8217;s Conundrum #1</title>
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		<title>By: Durishin</title>
		<link>http://ribike.org/2010/03/01/commuters-conundrum-1/comment-page-1#comment-33857</link>
		<dc:creator>Durishin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 20:00:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@joe,

The law for intersections is to take the rightmost lane going in your direction.  In this case, that would be the left lane.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@joe,</p>
<p>The law for intersections is to take the rightmost lane going in your direction.  In this case, that would be the left lane.</p>
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		<title>By: Labann</title>
		<link>http://ribike.org/2010/03/01/commuters-conundrum-1/comment-page-1#comment-33854</link>
		<dc:creator>Labann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 19:00:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe: 
The law says stay in right 1/3 of travel lane... unless conditions don&#039;t warrant staying there, it&#039;s otherwise occupied, or you&#039;re passing or turning left, which is to say, you have FULL use of the entire road at any given moment. You&#039;re already BANNED from half the roads: highways, limited access, and tacit bans. The same laws say that motorists must avoid running over pedestrians and YOU. Too bad what motorists think. Just because they pay thousands a year for the dubious privilege of waiting in gridlock is not your concern. I pay even more in the high cost of living that motoring inflicts on me: cancer, heart disease, insurances, trillion/year in fed/state revenues spent on roads. Motorists are the problem, period.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe:<br />
The law says stay in right 1/3 of travel lane&#8230; unless conditions don&#8217;t warrant staying there, it&#8217;s otherwise occupied, or you&#8217;re passing or turning left, which is to say, you have FULL use of the entire road at any given moment. You&#8217;re already BANNED from half the roads: highways, limited access, and tacit bans. The same laws say that motorists must avoid running over pedestrians and YOU. Too bad what motorists think. Just because they pay thousands a year for the dubious privilege of waiting in gridlock is not your concern. I pay even more in the high cost of living that motoring inflicts on me: cancer, heart disease, insurances, trillion/year in fed/state revenues spent on roads. Motorists are the problem, period.</p>
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		<title>By: joe</title>
		<link>http://ribike.org/2010/03/01/commuters-conundrum-1/comment-page-1#comment-33853</link>
		<dc:creator>joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 18:24:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On a one way street staying to the left is WRONG.  When I am driving a car it makes me mad as hell when bicyclist don&#039;t follow the rules.  It makes it harder when I am cycling because car drivers take out their anger at all of us.  Stay to the right, give yourself distance to the parked cars, make sure you are looking ahead to see if any one is in their car pulling out or opening their door.  Be careful and obey the rules.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On a one way street staying to the left is WRONG.  When I am driving a car it makes me mad as hell when bicyclist don&#8217;t follow the rules.  It makes it harder when I am cycling because car drivers take out their anger at all of us.  Stay to the right, give yourself distance to the parked cars, make sure you are looking ahead to see if any one is in their car pulling out or opening their door.  Be careful and obey the rules.</p>
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		<title>By: Evan</title>
		<link>http://ribike.org/2010/03/01/commuters-conundrum-1/comment-page-1#comment-33654</link>
		<dc:creator>Evan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 16:57:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>since I go much faster than cars I just stay right in the middle of the left lane</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>since I go much faster than cars I just stay right in the middle of the left lane</p>
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		<title>By: Durishin</title>
		<link>http://ribike.org/2010/03/01/commuters-conundrum-1/comment-page-1#comment-33649</link>
		<dc:creator>Durishin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 14:23:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alan,

Man may dream in the stars but, for better or worse, we live in microcosm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alan,</p>
<p>Man may dream in the stars but, for better or worse, we live in microcosm.</p>
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		<title>By: Noman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Noman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 14:18:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, I might add...
Tried to ride up Waterman about 2 weeks ago, next to bus tunnel. There was so much sand in shoulder had to ride in center of right lane up entire hill just to keep traction... didn&#039;t even notice the turn arrow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I might add&#8230;<br />
Tried to ride up Waterman about 2 weeks ago, next to bus tunnel. There was so much sand in shoulder had to ride in center of right lane up entire hill just to keep traction&#8230; didn&#8217;t even notice the turn arrow.</p>
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		<title>By: Durishin</title>
		<link>http://ribike.org/2010/03/01/commuters-conundrum-1/comment-page-1#comment-33647</link>
		<dc:creator>Durishin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 14:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Geoff

Perhaps one should continue down Benefit and head up Jenkes.  Much less traffic!</description>
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<p>Perhaps one should continue down Benefit and head up Jenkes.  Much less traffic!</p>
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		<title>By: Noman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Noman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 14:06:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These examples are microcosms of what it&#039;s like to ride through the city. Fortunately for me, I seldom have to climb College Hill, and when I do, I take easy Brook Street to Williams, then use nicer side streets like Cooke to Wayland Square. Thus my concern with Point/Wickenden Street.

You do have to design to the least common denominator: That&#039;s like saying make highways only for Formula 1 racers, and let everyone else, timid or not, follow their example. Wait, I&#039;m forgetting the I-way, which is pretty much designed as a demolition derby track.

But, yeah, Providence presents 2 fatal flaws in urban planning: bad (illegal) bike infrastructure, and worse signage. RIDOT supposedly helped them install a set of ludicrous signs directing cyclists to wrong destinations, to which they added a bunch of detours. I did offer a better solution, presented to planners, but was congratulated then ignored. Their fiasco sure instills confidence... not. They just want to wear you out so you&#039;ll be too exhausted to complain... or, better, give up entirely. 

In fairness, if you don&#039;t have the infrastructure, you can&#039;t mirror it with signage. The solution is to start with CORRIDORS that thread continuously through city from at least NESW; advanced riders can pick out safe routes NE, SE, SW, and NW and other connections. If Boston and NYC can find ways to do this, you must suspect Providence just doesn&#039;t want to. And it&#039;s a real shame, since it&#039;s a small fraction of the size and smack dab between some of the best bike accommodations in the country. RI should be a bicycling mecca already, given it&#039;s mostly flat and small enough to be crossed in any direction in less than a day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These examples are microcosms of what it&#8217;s like to ride through the city. Fortunately for me, I seldom have to climb College Hill, and when I do, I take easy Brook Street to Williams, then use nicer side streets like Cooke to Wayland Square. Thus my concern with Point/Wickenden Street.</p>
<p>You do have to design to the least common denominator: That&#8217;s like saying make highways only for Formula 1 racers, and let everyone else, timid or not, follow their example. Wait, I&#8217;m forgetting the I-way, which is pretty much designed as a demolition derby track.</p>
<p>But, yeah, Providence presents 2 fatal flaws in urban planning: bad (illegal) bike infrastructure, and worse signage. RIDOT supposedly helped them install a set of ludicrous signs directing cyclists to wrong destinations, to which they added a bunch of detours. I did offer a better solution, presented to planners, but was congratulated then ignored. Their fiasco sure instills confidence&#8230; not. They just want to wear you out so you&#8217;ll be too exhausted to complain&#8230; or, better, give up entirely. </p>
<p>In fairness, if you don&#8217;t have the infrastructure, you can&#8217;t mirror it with signage. The solution is to start with CORRIDORS that thread continuously through city from at least NESW; advanced riders can pick out safe routes NE, SE, SW, and NW and other connections. If Boston and NYC can find ways to do this, you must suspect Providence just doesn&#8217;t want to. And it&#8217;s a real shame, since it&#8217;s a small fraction of the size and smack dab between some of the best bike accommodations in the country. RI should be a bicycling mecca already, given it&#8217;s mostly flat and small enough to be crossed in any direction in less than a day.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://ribike.org/2010/03/01/commuters-conundrum-1/comment-page-1#comment-33626</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 02:20:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sarah,

I go through that intersection every morning on my commute (after turning right from Canal onto Thomas/Steeple). I stay in the second lane from the right and then continue straight across Memorial Blvd. onto Exchange Terr. There can be quite a bit of merging going on, but people are generally going slow enough that I don&#039;t have too much trouble. I&#039;ve also managed to time my commute so that rush hour is generally over by the time I get to this intersection (around 8:55) and it&#039;s not as crowded as it is at 8:30.  When the intersection is crowded, you see a lot of cars blocking the intersection and not many cars getting through a light. This can make the drivers extra crabby and impatient so it can be a little dangerous to weave through them. I used to try to barrel through there weaving around traffic as much as possible. Then I realized that this strategy saves my 30 seconds or so - not really worth the risk. I still go around the cars that are stuck in traffic, but I do it more slowly so I can be more sure of what they are doing.

I&#039;m not sure who originally posted this - but I like the idea. I&#039;m sure there are a few other interesting intersections around town that we could put to the same analysis.  I had never really considered driving on the left side of a one-way street, but now that I&#039;ve read peoples&#039; reasons for doing that, I may use that as a riding strategy on occasion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sarah,</p>
<p>I go through that intersection every morning on my commute (after turning right from Canal onto Thomas/Steeple). I stay in the second lane from the right and then continue straight across Memorial Blvd. onto Exchange Terr. There can be quite a bit of merging going on, but people are generally going slow enough that I don&#8217;t have too much trouble. I&#8217;ve also managed to time my commute so that rush hour is generally over by the time I get to this intersection (around 8:55) and it&#8217;s not as crowded as it is at 8:30.  When the intersection is crowded, you see a lot of cars blocking the intersection and not many cars getting through a light. This can make the drivers extra crabby and impatient so it can be a little dangerous to weave through them. I used to try to barrel through there weaving around traffic as much as possible. Then I realized that this strategy saves my 30 seconds or so &#8211; not really worth the risk. I still go around the cars that are stuck in traffic, but I do it more slowly so I can be more sure of what they are doing.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure who originally posted this &#8211; but I like the idea. I&#8217;m sure there are a few other interesting intersections around town that we could put to the same analysis.  I had never really considered driving on the left side of a one-way street, but now that I&#8217;ve read peoples&#8217; reasons for doing that, I may use that as a riding strategy on occasion.</p>
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		<title>By: sarah</title>
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		<dc:creator>sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 15:30:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to know what people do when going the other direction, down Angell/Thomas Street and want to either turn left onto Memorial Blvd or continue straight onto Exchange terrace.  I&#039;ve had more trouble with traffic here than I ever have on Waterman St.  Any suggestions?  There are 4 lanes, with the two middle ones giving you the option of going straight or turning.  I usually stay in the second lane over from the left, and if I go straight I end up on the left side of the one way street, which is where I usually want to be anyway.  If I turn left, I end up in the right lane on Memorial blvd.  However, I&#039;m always worried about cars going straight when I want to turn left.  Does anybody else find this intersection particularly daunting?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to know what people do when going the other direction, down Angell/Thomas Street and want to either turn left onto Memorial Blvd or continue straight onto Exchange terrace.  I&#8217;ve had more trouble with traffic here than I ever have on Waterman St.  Any suggestions?  There are 4 lanes, with the two middle ones giving you the option of going straight or turning.  I usually stay in the second lane over from the left, and if I go straight I end up on the left side of the one way street, which is where I usually want to be anyway.  If I turn left, I end up in the right lane on Memorial blvd.  However, I&#8217;m always worried about cars going straight when I want to turn left.  Does anybody else find this intersection particularly daunting?</p>
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